To coincide with Purim, the festival with masks and costumes, we talk with Kirston Mann, costume designer on “The Good Place”! Sari Laufer, Ilana Schachter, and Jon Spira-Savett talk with Kirston about what her work entails and hear her insights into how costume serves storytelling on television. We delve into the characters of Eleanor, Tahani, Janet and Jason in particular, and what she, the script, and actors all brought to the costume design process. We reflect all together on how what we wear can conceal, reveal, get in the way, help us do our job or help us change and grow. We zero in on some moments in the series where changes in dress are particularly significant. Kirston turns the tables and asks the rabbis some ethical questions about the story of Esther in the Bible. And of course much more!

Visit Kirston Mann’s website: kirston.com!

Listen here to Kirston’s conversation on the official NBC Good Place podcast

For all things Purim and Esther, check out our own Chapter 24 show notes (and listen to the episode)! We have key verses from the biblical book of Esther related to this episode’s theme, as well as links to deeper Jewish dives.

Jon’s (in)famous TV tie (you be the judge):

Hoping to retrieve Sari Laufer’s rabbinical school senior sermon off her floppy disk to post here soon!